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why so few overall?
Are you referring to the number of stations that sell ethanol free gas?

That's simple. Government and people's lack of knowledge of the benefits.
State and federal mandates make gas with E-10 cheaper and mandatory for the most part.
If the average consumer wasn't so afraid of a .30-.40 cent per gallon difference they pay at the pump, they would realize that the real savings is the extra miles per gal that they get with E10-free gas, and in some cases better performance.
 
Jay,

Your in Phoenix right? I don't see any ethanol free stations in the metro area is that correct or do you know of one?

Thanks,
Brett
WI actually. I know it's almost impossible to find Ethanol-free gas in some areas, but keep and eye out and you may get lucky.

I got luck in this area, there are 2 Cenex station within 5 mi that sell 87 without Ethanol. Previously I could only find Premium without Ethanol at BP.


Jay
 
Ok after reading the link posted by blue ghost I am now in two about what fuel to use lol I've allways used Ron 98 they only put ethanol in ron91 over here (thank Christ ) pritty sure I can still use 98 I am litteraly millimeters off having to use race fuel as my clearance is so close :eek: do I even dare try Ron 95 to see if it doesn't valve slap :? Hahahhaha
 
jkv45 said:
WI actually. I know it's almost impossible to find Ethanol-free gas in some areas, but keep and eye out and you may get lucky.

I got luck in this area, there are 2 Cenex station within 5 mi that sell 87 without Ethanol. Previously I could only find Premium without Ethanol at BP.

Jay
I checked my state and most of the ethanol free is at boat marinas.
I'm not a boat person , so is that all that boats are supposed to run or is it some environmental thing?
 
....I'm not a boat person , so is that all that boats are supposed to run or is it some environmental thing?
Boats love water but boat engines don't. Boaters are at risk, because they tend to store fuel in their boat gas tanks much longer than in their automobiles. Fuel systems of cars also tend to have better seals, (i.e. tightly closed gas caps).

Boat engines also are most used during the most humid (summer) months. Moisture from humid air can easily be absorbed into E10 fuel. Alcohol/Ethanol being a solvent and de-greaser also adversely effects boat parts and components clogging carburetors and fuel filters.

Phase-separation due to water contamination now is a huge problem for boaters. Phase separation occurs in E10 gas, when only 0.5% water or 3.8 teaspoons water per gallon of fuel is absorbed. Octane also drops when fuel is contaminated by water, which makes fuel problems even more problematic. Driveability and performance problems seem most noticeable in marine engines, motorcycles and older or classic cars with carbs. Some boat manufacturers do not recommended and warn against using gas with ethanol.

Here is a video showing moisture accumulation in E-10 gas

How Ethanol Gas Attracts Water from the Air - Demonstration - YouTube
 
I asked my shop the otherday about gas for my 2012 ninja.
He said the gas they sell these days works fine in my Ninja 650 with fuel injection.
Reg grade or the higher grade.
I have been running both.
The higher grade doesn't seem to make any diff in power or fuel mileage.
I will get anywhere from 55 up to 68 MPG depending on how I drive.
Most days my average will be 58.
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if your bike is lower rpm and large displacement(less cylinders) use higher grade to get your torque and will run cooler also.but if you have high rpm and less displacement (more cylinders)use lower grade your bike will thank you for it.its all about octane the detonation inhibitor.
 
well......do have fairly high rmps...even if i don't really use them..Most times under 6 grand....once in a bit maybe up to 8 for a short time passing..only 2 cylinders.....same as that big ol Harley, but mine are parallel in stead of a V. Guess since i didn't notice any diff with either i wont waste the extra $$$ on super.

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i'm going to use 89-91 ron because i'm doing mods to lower about 1500 rpms at highway speed and get more torque so i need a little slower burning rate to burn all the carbon off the spark plugs and higher grade wont be needed.
 
Use fuel with the octane rating the manual recommends - no more. Use Ethanol-free whenever possible.

Unless you have made changes to the compression ratio by milling the head or using a thinner gasket there's no reason to use a higher grade fuel than what is recommended in the manual. You will get worse performance and economy by using a fuel with a higher octane rating than needed.

Additional octane won't make the engine run cooler, or make more power, if it isn't detonating with less.

The only reason I ever use a higher octane fuel than recommended is because it's the only grade without Ethanol. I hate Ethanol...


Jay
 
your right i just texted my nephew and he said higher octane makes motor run hotter not cooler because of the slower burn rate but makes more push for larger slower rpm engines.so most sportbikes are ussually not affected
 
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